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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:25 am

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Well, you know what alot of good teams do, is they put their lengthy 2 on the opposing teams 1. Even with Mo starting, if DC started or Burks even, you put them on the other point guard. Worked really well for a bunch of teams.

Corbin did that this year with Hayward, usually only agianst elite PG's though, when it was clear that they were going to singlehandedly destroy the Jazz if something wasn't done about it.

I like Mo, and he may be as good as any other free agent out there, which is why I said before that I'm not really loving this crop of free agents and would be totally fine with the Jazz adressing the issue through the draft, and not signing any vets to play PG.

Right, but it wasn't NEARLY enough, I remember him doing that no more than like 3-4 times, maybe. Too little too late, as usual.

I think thats key there, is that Mo may actually be the smartest signing. Looks like Jack and GS are already agreeing. I think signing Calderon and having those two polar opposites as our PG's wont be bad at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:40 am

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Well, you know what alot of good teams do, is they put their lengthy 2 on the opposing teams 1. Even with Mo starting, if DC started or Burks even, you put them on the other point guard. Worked really well for a bunch of teams.

Corbin did that this year with Hayward, usually only agianst elite PG's though, when it was clear that they were going to singlehandedly destroy the Jazz if something wasn't done about it.

I like Mo, and he may be as good as any other free agent out there, which is why I said before that I'm not really loving this crop of free agents and would be totally fine with the Jazz adressing the issue through the draft, and not signing any vets to play PG.

Right, but it wasn't NEARLY enough, I remember him doing that no more than like 3-4 times, maybe. Too little too late, as usual.

I think thats key there, is that Mo may actually be the smartest signing. Looks like Jack and GS are already agreeing. I think signing Calderon and having those two polar opposites as our PG's wont be bad at all.

You want both? bleh. Maybe one as a placeholder. The Jazz have McNeal and Burks, add a draft pick and let it ride is what I say.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:58 am

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Well, you know what alot of good teams do, is they put their lengthy 2 on the opposing teams 1. Even with Mo starting, if DC started or Burks even, you put them on the other point guard. Worked really well for a bunch of teams.

Corbin did that this year with Hayward, usually only agianst elite PG's though, when it was clear that they were going to singlehandedly destroy the Jazz if something wasn't done about it.

I like Mo, and he may be as good as any other free agent out there, which is why I said before that I'm not really loving this crop of free agents and would be totally fine with the Jazz adressing the issue through the draft, and not signing any vets to play PG.

Right, but it wasn't NEARLY enough, I remember him doing that no more than like 3-4 times, maybe. Too little too late, as usual.

I think thats key there, is that Mo may actually be the smartest signing. Looks like Jack and GS are already agreeing. I think signing Calderon and having those two polar opposites as our PG's wont be bad at all.

You want both? bleh. Maybe one as a placeholder. The Jazz have McNeal and Burks, add a draft pick and let it ride is what I say.

I'm really not sold on Burks as a 1, I'm really not. I want to be, but it worries me that he is their focus. I like him on the team, but feel like he'd be devastating next to Calderon. So then maybe the question for me is do I want Burks or Mo? And it's Burks, yea. I haven't really spent much time on that actually.......maybe its Burks or Mo......

I'd like to see Calderon signed, Mo not, new rookie PG. Burks can play 2 and ALSO 1, not the other way around. Calderon to set the guys up, new PG to learn and play also.


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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:19 pm

Just read a long article that talked about many of the available FA's this summer & also talked about each individual team's need. After reading it, I compiled a list of guys I would like the Jazz to look into. Some are UFA, some RFA, some are sitting on player options, but all are at least somewhat available. (I know a few of these guys have already been discussed, but bear with me.)

Jose Calderon - we've talked about him extensively
JJ.Hickson - nice 3rd big. Great energy, rebounder, athletic
Marreese Speights - can hit the face up J's, good size
Carl Landry - crafty veteran, good 3rd big, decent rebounder & scorer
David West - This is a bigger investment, and he'd need to start, but I realy like West's game.
Kyle Korver - we all know what kind of player he is
Andrei Kirilenko - come on, why wouldn't you want him back if he signs for reasonable $? Versitile PF/SF could start or come off the bench
Kevin Martin - I've wanted him in UT for years. How about a SG that is deadly from outside AND can score from other places on the court as well?
Tyreke Evans - My #1 choice for the Jazz. PG, SG, SF versitility & the only player I can realisticaly see the Jazz getting that has star potential.
Andre Iguodala - great defender, athletic, proved this year he can blend well into a team concept, but can still score.
Shawn Marion - getting older, but still a good all-around player. Can defend, play 2 positions & knock down shots with that ugly J of his as well.
Chris Kaman - rebounds, defends, very good face up game, great size
Gerald Henderson - If some of these other wings on the list don't pan out, he would be a nice fall-back option. Solid all-around game.

The article said that Millsap would be a great signing by the Bobcats, where he could become the floor leader and 1st option of the young Cats. Al was slated to go to Philly, where they need to replace Andrew Bynum's ghost. Mo was set to head to San Antonio to be a bench scorer & spot up 3 point specialist. (I think he'd kill it in SA, where they do a good job at getting rest for vet's, which would help injury plagued Williams.) Oh .... and the Jazz were said to be a great marriage with Jeff Teague.

At this point, I'm thinking that if the Jazz wrapped up T.Evans long term, Landry or AK for a couple seasons, drafted a young PG and signed a veteran 4th big, I'd be estatic.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Wed May 01, 2013 3:04 pm

I'm curious why you like Tyreke so much Zero. IMO, he's a guy that just has to have the ball in his hands all the time, and more importantly is NOT a guy that sets others up. He can't really play the 1, but is too ball dominant at the 2. I dont know.....I'd take Teague over him too.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Wed May 01, 2013 3:35 pm

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I'm curious why you like Tyreke so much Zero. IMO, he's a guy that just has to have the ball in his hands all the time, and more importantly is NOT a guy that sets others up. He can't really play the 1, but is too ball dominant at the 2. I dont know.....I'd take Teague over him too.

Thanks for asking Mu Smile

How would you feel about getting a guy that averages 20 PPG, shoots almost 46%, hits 75% of his FT's, pulls down over 5 RPG as a guard, gets almost 6 APG to go along with 1.5 SPG?

Those were Tyreke's ROOKIE numbers. It was the only year that the Kings used Evans as their primary facilitator.

His numbers then took a sharp decline in year two when SAC moved him off of the ball, but have climbed each of the past two years since that time. This year he shot a career high at almost 48% from the field, got his 3-point shooting over 30% for the first time (33.8%), continues to get to the line about 300 times a year (about the same as Gordy), still gets 4.5 RPG & passes well (over 4 APG for his career).

Now, stats aren't everything, but I TRULY feel that if Tyreke is allowed to play more of a point role, then he has all the talent & abilty to get back to closer to his rookie numbers, which are All-NBA calibur.

Say the Jazz keep Mo, but add Evans as his starting backcourt mate. Those two would compliment eachother perfectly. If not Mo, then just get another shooter out there & let Evans drive & kick his way to the playoffs. Is he the next LeBron? No. But his size & alll-around abilities make him a very good poor-mans LBJ in my opinion. We, as Jazz fans this year, know too well how misusing a player can hurt them. Tyreke has had the ball taken out of his hands in SAC, which takes away from his best assests, yet he has still been able to steadily improve over the past couple years after a rough sophmore slump... which makes me think that he still had room to grow, afterall, he's only 23 years old, the same as Hayward, who most of us think will still get better.

He's not perfect, but he's already proven he can do more than any of the current crop of FA PG's & draft pick possibilities, plus I simply see more upside from him than any of those other guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Wed May 01, 2013 4:04 pm

Hmmmm. Ok, I hear you. I'll add this though, his rookie year when he was so good, wasnt' he the only one on that team? So they gave him the ball and told him to do what he could....

I just can't see him as a PG, at all. And I look at Burks, and see the same type of player, but someone we can pay a little to and is the smarter investment right now. I think I'm just not sure that Evans will be much better than we've already seen, and I guess thats where we disagree, hah. I think my biggest thing with Tyreke, is that I love him as a fantasy player, but in real like see him as a guy that doesn't play very good team ball.

Good point on him being the same age as Gordo though, because you're right I do expect GH to get even better. What kind of contract is Evans looking at?
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Thu May 02, 2013 10:42 pm

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I'm curious why you like Tyreke so much Zero. IMO, he's a guy that just has to have the ball in his hands all the time, and more importantly is NOT a guy that sets others up. He can't really play the 1, but is too ball dominant at the 2. I dont know.....I'd take Teague over him too.

Thanks for asking Mu Smile

How would you feel about getting a guy that averages 20 PPG, shoots almost 46%, hits 75% of his FT's, pulls down over 5 RPG as a guard, gets almost 6 APG to go along with 1.5 SPG?

Those were Tyreke's ROOKIE numbers. It was the only year that the Kings used Evans as their primary facilitator.

His numbers then took a sharp decline in year two when SAC moved him off of the ball, but have climbed each of the past two years since that time. This year he shot a career high at almost 48% from the field, got his 3-point shooting over 30% for the first time (33.8%), continues to get to the line about 300 times a year (about the same as Gordy), still gets 4.5 RPG & passes well (over 4 APG for his career).

Now, stats aren't everything, but I TRULY feel that if Tyreke is allowed to play more of a point role, then he has all the talent & abilty to get back to closer to his rookie numbers, which are All-NBA calibur.

Say the Jazz keep Mo, but add Evans as his starting backcourt mate. Those two would compliment eachother perfectly. If not Mo, then just get another shooter out there & let Evans drive & kick his way to the playoffs. Is he the next LeBron? No. But his size & alll-around abilities make him a very good poor-mans LBJ in my opinion. We, as Jazz fans this year, know too well how misusing a player can hurt them. Tyreke has had the ball taken out of his hands in SAC, which takes away from his best assests, yet he has still been able to steadily improve over the past couple years after a rough sophmore slump... which makes me think that he still had room to grow, afterall, he's only 23 years old, the same as Hayward, who most of us think will still get better.

He's not perfect, but he's already proven he can do more than any of the current crop of FA PG's & draft pick possibilities, plus I simply see more upside from him than any of those other guys.


I was reading some where the other day about players that are gonna be signing with others teams maybe this year and i read that Tyreke was gonna be one of the best out there just because they thought the kings used him all wrong since his rookie year and to watch out if he gets picked up by the right team.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 7:19 am

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Hmmmm. Ok, I hear you. I'll add this though, his rookie year when he was so good, wasnt' he the only one on that team? So they gave him the ball and told him to do what he could....

I just can't see him as a PG, at all. And I look at Burks, and see the same type of player, but someone we can pay a little to and is the smarter investment right now. I think I'm just not sure that Evans will be much better than we've already seen, and I guess thats where we disagree, hah. I think my biggest thing with Tyreke, is that I love him as a fantasy player, but in real like see him as a guy that doesn't play very good team ball.

Good point on him being the same age as Gordo though, because you're right I do expect GH to get even better. What kind of contract is Evans looking at?

I like Tyreke, the problem with the whole "ball in his hands" thing is that I think Hayward and Tyreke are very similar players. I think Tyreke is light years ahead of Burks as a player, and likely always will be.


I think Tyreke will be one of the most in demand restricted free agents this summer, but I think the Kings will want to keep him, which means that it's unlikely that he's going anywhere. My biggest concern about him would be his health. He seems to be having some nagging issues with his knees that are concerning.

But, since we are living in a hypothetical world right now, let's say we could get him for say 4 years/30 million, the question for me becomes could Tyreke and Hayward work on the floor, together, as either the PG/SG or SG/SF?

I gotta admit, I find the question very very interesting, as a back court combo especially. On the one hand those two guys would pose huge problems for opposing teams on both ends of the court, on the other hand you are basically playing without a true PG on the court. The thing about not having a true PG is that even if you had those two at SG/SF I think you would want a Derrick Fisher type PG rather than a traditional bring the ball up get the team in the offense PG. A guy that actaully plays off the ball more and can D the hell out of guys.

I don't know if it would work, but I'd be more than willing got give it a try. The potential upside is just too big to pass up.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 1:20 pm

You dont think Burks can basically get to where Tyreke is now?? I actually really do. Burks already is looking like he actually IS a 3pt shooter too, unlike what everyone thought. I think it'd be duplicated. Its not homerism for Burks, I just think he's barely scratched the surface for what he can do, and given more minutes we'll see it. I think thats why I'm more hopeful for a leading PG for the team, and maybe a star SF...

I bet if Burks was put on that Sac team that year, he would have come close to the 20/5/5 too, if he was the only decent one.

You know, now that it looks like Iguodala somewhat shockingly is opting OUT of the last year of his contract/16m, what about adding him on a smart 4yr contract? I love getting an upper-tier defender, he's a guy that also has always added 5ast or so. It would give that slasher type too. I mean, if Utah was in charge of the contract making, and it set up properly, I dont think I mind he and Hayward on the wings at all.......offense and defense too. That'd be sweet! Thoughts???
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 2:49 pm

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You dont think Burks can basically get to where Tyreke is now?? I actually really do. Burks already is looking like he actually IS a 3pt shooter too, unlike what everyone thought. I think it'd be duplicated. Its not homerism for Burks, I just think he's barely scratched the surface for what he can do, and given more minutes we'll see it. I think thats why I'm more hopeful for a leading PG for the team, and maybe a star SF...

I bet if Burks was put on that Sac team that year, he would have come close to the 20/5/5 too, if he was the only decent one.

You know, now that it looks like Iguodala somewhat shockingly is opting OUT of the last year of his contract/16m, what about adding him on a smart 4yr contract? I love getting an upper-tier defender, he's a guy that also has always added 5ast or so. It would give that slasher type too. I mean, if Utah was in charge of the contract making, and it set up properly, I dont think I mind he and Hayward on the wings at all.......offense and defense too. That'd be sweet! Thoughts???

I think if he opting out its to sign a long deal with the nugs, Dont see him going anywhere. Would be a nice player to add tho.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 3:00 pm

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You dont think Burks can basically get to where Tyreke is now?? I actually really do. Burks already is looking like he actually IS a 3pt shooter too, unlike what everyone thought. I think it'd be duplicated. Its not homerism for Burks, I just think he's barely scratched the surface for what he can do, and given more minutes we'll see it. I think thats why I'm more hopeful for a leading PG for the team, and maybe a star SF...

I bet if Burks was put on that Sac team that year, he would have come close to the 20/5/5 too, if he was the only decent one.

You know, now that it looks like Iguodala somewhat shockingly is opting OUT of the last year of his contract/16m, what about adding him on a smart 4yr contract? I love getting an upper-tier defender, he's a guy that also has always added 5ast or so. It would give that slasher type too. I mean, if Utah was in charge of the contract making, and it set up properly, I dont think I mind he and Hayward on the wings at all.......offense and defense too. That'd be sweet! Thoughts???

I think if he opting out its to sign a long deal with the nugs, Dont see him going anywhere. Would be a nice player to add tho.

Except they're not going to pay him max money. So for him it comes down to money AND other things.
You may be right, but its not anything close to assured he goes back there.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 6:43 pm

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You dont think Burks can basically get to where Tyreke is now?? I actually really do. Burks already is looking like he actually IS a 3pt shooter too, unlike what everyone thought. I think it'd be duplicated. Its not homerism for Burks, I just think he's barely scratched the surface for what he can do, and given more minutes we'll see it. I think thats why I'm more hopeful for a leading PG for the team, and maybe a star SF...

I bet if Burks was put on that Sac team that year, he would have come close to the 20/5/5 too, if he was the only decent one.

You know, now that it looks like Iguodala somewhat shockingly is opting OUT of the last year of his contract/16m, what about adding him on a smart 4yr contract? I love getting an upper-tier defender, he's a guy that also has always added 5ast or so. It would give that slasher type too. I mean, if Utah was in charge of the contract making, and it set up properly, I dont think I mind he and Hayward on the wings at all.......offense and defense too. That'd be sweet! Thoughts???[/quot.

I think if he opting out its to sign a long deal with the nugs, Dont see him going anywhere. Would be a nice player to add tho.



Except they're not going to pay him max money. So for him it comes down to money AND other things.
You may be right, but its not anything close to assured he goes back there.




Yes, But even if he gets 14 mill a year he could get a 5 year deal done right now and not have to worry about it next year? Even 12 13 mill is good. Helps team and if he get hurts he knows he has that money on table and will be really set for life.

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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 7:13 pm

With his history, I'd wager there's about 1% chance he gets a 5yr deal, unless it's 10m or more likely less.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Fri May 03, 2013 10:22 pm

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With his history, I'd wager there's about 1% chance he gets a 5yr deal, unless it's 10m or more likely less.
Ok i bet it over 11 mill and closer to 14.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Sat May 04, 2013 8:51 am

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You dont think Burks can basically get to where Tyreke is now?? I actually really do. Burks already is looking like he actually IS a 3pt shooter too, unlike what everyone thought. I think it'd be duplicated. Its not homerism for Burks, I just think he's barely scratched the surface for what he can do, and given more minutes we'll see it. I think thats why I'm more hopeful for a leading PG for the team, and maybe a star SF...

I bet if Burks was put on that Sac team that year, he would have come close to the 20/5/5 too, if he was the only decent one.

You know, now that it looks like Iguodala somewhat shockingly is opting OUT of the last year of his contract/16m, what about adding him on a smart 4yr contract? I love getting an upper-tier defender, he's a guy that also has always added 5ast or so. It would give that slasher type too. I mean, if Utah was in charge of the contract making, and it set up properly, I dont think I mind he and Hayward on the wings at all.......offense and defense too. That'd be sweet! Thoughts???

I don't know man. Tyreke's second season was his low point, I'd say it was pretty comparable to Burks season this year, but the thing about Tyreke is he was doing it as "the man", super high usage, super high minutes. So ya, it's possible that he follows the same arc as Tyreke from here, getting better every year, or not. The fact that Tyreke was doing over so many minutes with so big a roll makes it more likely that it was repeatable, and he's proven that to be correct, but Burks is still very much an unknown quantity with significant questions to answer about his game before you can say, ya, he's going to be a good player.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Sat May 04, 2013 8:53 am

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With his history, I'd wager there's about 1% chance he gets a 5yr deal, unless it's 10m or more likely less.
Ok i bet it over 11 mill and closer to 14.

I could see him getting 11, but thats a pretty wide difference, 3million. Either way, he's obtainable.

There's a few stellar forwards out there in FA. I'd really like to see Utah make a run at them. And then of course next season, have DC first off the bench FINALLY to replace them.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 9:15 am

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Calling for Nate Rob is stud.

I also want Tony Allen.

Yes. Nate Robinson is the best backup PG in the league not named Jarrett Jack. Probably the best "change of pace" PG in the league. He is cheap, and wildly under-appreciated. He's also a guy that at any time can get as hot as any, ANY player in the league. He also manages to somehow average around 7 ast every time he gets starter minutes.

I think Tony Allen is on his way down from his peak. Also, I swear I see his knee ALMOST go every night...

Brandon Jennings??? Actually, a big NO thanks. He is talented. But immensely inconsistent. I dont think he'll ever be anything better than what he is now, and I dont want to put alot of money into a PG that will never be in all-star talk. But the biggest reason, is that we have some great young personalities on this team, what seem like mature, good guys. I think with one more very strong leader type (not Jennings there), and an overall "good guy" type attitude, it will help to sustain/create a very winning and 110% play all the time environment. That core 5 all have that right now. Just need our PG.

Nate is fun and all but there is a good reason why he can't stick on a team even though he consistently produces at a high level.

I actually like what the Clippers have done with Jamaal Crawford, and I think one dimentional guys like him, Nate, Jimmer, Jordan Crawford, etc. need that kind of situation to be successful. They need to be able to come in and just do what they do. Their are multiple problems that have to be addressed before something like that works though 1) a lot of players really hate playing with guys like that, so you have to have the right personel 2) a lot of coaches hate players like that, so you have to have the right coach 3) when they succeed it inevitably gets the less intelligent wings of the fan base all spun up because they aren't getting enough minutes, so you have to be prepared to deal with that.

I'm not sure that a guy like that makes sense, but depending on who the Jazz bring it this summer I guess it could.

I dont know how you guys can't want Nate Robinson, are you watching him these playoffs? I'd just about guarantee if he was the exact same person/player, but was 6-2 he'd be close to a max player. Most underappreciated player of the last 5 years.

Although every game of these playoffs is making him a bigger contract this year, I'd take him now as a starter next year. I mean, do you want him or Mo? This guy is a freak....
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 10:32 am

Okay so I haven't been on here for a long time and forgot my username and password, so I made a new one.
First off I would like to say that how you guys are looking atthe free agents isn't right. Just because a guy like Nate is making 1 mill this year doesn't mean we can get him for 1 mill in FA and because a guy like Jose Calderone is making 11 mill doesn't mean he is worth it.
I do like the idea of getting calderone and Nate because they are different change of pace PGs, and I do think calderone is worth more than most, because he is highly effective on the offensive end, and is a deadly spot up shooter. And Nate is the perfect backup point guard to play with guys like DC.
My picture perfect FA signings would be to get Tyreke Evans for around 10mill and to pick up Nate as the backup. Tyreke is a flat out nightmare mismatch for point guards and despite whatsome may think he can be a very effective facilitator. He has played for the most disfunctional franchise in all of sports. And as for his rookie year where he was the only talent on the team as some of you say. He still averaged 5 assists with no talent or shotmaking. Plus having GW also being a facilitator we don't need someone who is a pure facilitator. We need someone who can consistently penetrate the paint and kick to bigs or shooters, which I believe tyreke can do consistently.
Had Evans spent his time with the spurs inthe Parker role, he would be an untouchable prospect and considered one of if not the best PG in the game, plus imagine this starting lineup. Evans 6'6 GW 6'9 MW 6'9 DF 6'11 EK 6'10 that is too much size for teams to handle. Syracuse had probably the most dominate D on oversizing their opponent, why cant the jazz do the same, without Jefferson Mo or Foye (who are all undersized for their positions) to consistently get burned

just my thoughts on the matter at hand, I'm sure some of this is wrong, but it's the way I feel about things and I would love to get your opinions and feedback on the matter, so please do give it a thought and take the time to reply. Thanks guys
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 11:01 am

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Okay so I haven't been on here for a long time and forgot my username and password, so I made a new one.
First off I would like to say that how you guys are looking atthe free agents isn't right. Just because a guy like Nate is making 1 mill this year doesn't mean we can get him for 1 mill in FA and because a guy like Jose Calderone is making 11 mill doesn't mean he is worth it.
I do like the idea of getting calderone and Nate because they are different change of pace PGs, and I do think calderone is worth more than most, because he is highly effective on the offensive end, and is a deadly spot up shooter. And Nate is the perfect backup point guard to play with guys like DC.
My picture perfect FA signings would be to get Tyreke Evans for around 10mill and to pick up Nate as the backup. Tyreke is a flat out nightmare mismatch for point guards and despite whatsome may think he can be a very effective facilitator. He has played for the most disfunctional franchise in all of sports. And as for his rookie year where he was the only talent on the team as some of you say. He still averaged 5 assists with no talent or shotmaking. Plus having GW also being a facilitator we don't need someone who is a pure facilitator. We need someone who can consistently penetrate the paint and kick to bigs or shooters, which I believe tyreke can do consistently.
Had Evans spent his time with the spurs inthe Parker role, he would be an untouchable prospect and considered one of if not the best PG in the game, plus imagine this starting lineup. Evans 6'6 GW 6'9 MW 6'9 DF 6'11 EK 6'10 that is too much size for teams to handle. Syracuse had probably the most dominate D on oversizing their opponent, why cant the jazz do the same, without Jefferson Mo or Foye (who are all undersized for their positions) to consistently get burned

just my thoughts on the matter at hand, I'm sure some of this is wrong, but it's the way I feel about things and I would love to get your opinions and feedback on the matter, so please do give it a thought and take the time to reply. Thanks guys

First, just wondering ... what was your original username? Just curious so we know who we are talking to Smile

Also, I am the leader of the Tyreke signing bandwagon right now, so preach on! He doesn't even have to play point. He can be the team's starting SG, but be more of a facilitating SG (and get some run as the back-up PG when match-ups allow it) giving the Jazz the option of keeping a shooting PG (Like Mo) on the floor to compliment him.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 11:24 am

I was thejazzmanfan on tribtalk and t-wick earlier on this forum. It's been a really long time since I had last posted, but I did check in from time to time to catch up some news, you guys have great opinions and find some awesome links to useful info, I also had a different username on this site before t-wick but cannot remember what it was
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 12:01 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
Drive"N"Kick wrote:
Okay so I haven't been on here for a long time and forgot my username and password, so I made a new one.
First off I would like to say that how you guys are looking atthe free agents isn't right. Just because a guy like Nate is making 1 mill this year doesn't mean we can get him for 1 mill in FA and because a guy like Jose Calderone is making 11 mill doesn't mean he is worth it.
I do like the idea of getting calderone and Nate because they are different change of pace PGs, and I do think calderone is worth more than most, because he is highly effective on the offensive end, and is a deadly spot up shooter. And Nate is the perfect backup point guard to play with guys like DC.
My picture perfect FA signings would be to get Tyreke Evans for around 10mill and to pick up Nate as the backup. Tyreke is a flat out nightmare mismatch for point guards and despite whatsome may think he can be a very effective facilitator. He has played for the most disfunctional franchise in all of sports. And as for his rookie year where he was the only talent on the team as some of you say. He still averaged 5 assists with no talent or shotmaking. Plus having GW also being a facilitator we don't need someone who is a pure facilitator. We need someone who can consistently penetrate the paint and kick to bigs or shooters, which I believe Tyreke can do consistently.
Had Evans spent his time with the spurs inthe Parker role, he would be an untouchable prospect and considered one of if not the best PG in the game, plus imagine this starting lineup. Evans 6'6 GW 6'9 MW 6'9 DF 6'11 EK 6'10 that is too much size for teams to handle. Syracuse had probably the most dominate D on oversizing their opponent, why cant the jazz do the same, without Jefferson Mo or Foye (who are all undersized for their positions) to consistently get burned

just my thoughts on the matter at hand, I'm sure some of this is wrong, but it's the way I feel about things and I would love to get your opinions and feedback on the matter, so please do give it a thought and take the time to reply. Thanks guys

First, just wondering ... what was your original username? Just curious so we know who we are talking to Smile

Also, I am the leader of the Tyreke signing bandwagon right now, so preach on! He doesn't even have to play point. He can be the team's starting SG, but be more of a facilitating SG (and get some run as the back-up PG when match-ups allow it) giving the Jazz the option of keeping a shooting PG (Like Mo) on the floor to compliment him.

Given the Jazz strategies the last time they were in this situation I think Tyreke is exactly the sort of player that they will target. I know that may surprise some Jazz fans, but jump in the way back machine and you find that in the summer of 2003 KOC made offers to Jason Terry and Corey Maggette, who both accepted the offers but were retained by their teams. The next year in 2004 they did it again with Boozer and Okur. The year after they they apparently made a competitive offer to Shaq who turned them down.

So I am actually kind of expecting them to join the fray this summer, for these young restricted free agents especially. Teague, Bayless, Evans, Collison, maybe even Jennings are all guys I could see being in play. In other positions I think they could also look to make a splash, Gerald Henderson, Gary Neal, Ivan Johnson, Austin Daye, Timofey Mozgov and Tiago Splitter are all restricted free agents that could be worth a roster spot.

Also, I would actually be a bit surprised it they DIDN'T make CP3 a max offer, just because they can, and I'm not ruling out a play for Josh Smith and/or Andre Igoudala if he decides to opt out. The word out of the front office is that Defensive improvement is priority #1 this offseason, and adding one of the NBA's elite defenders in iggy or jsmoove would be a big step in the right direction.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 12:54 pm

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So I am actually kind of expecting them to join the fray this summer, for these young restricted free agents especially. Teague, Bayless, Evans, Collison, maybe even Jennings are all guys I could see being in play. In other positions I think they could also look to make a splash, Gerald Henderson, Gary Neal, Ivan Johnson, Austin Daye, Timofey Mozgov and Tiago Splitter are all restricted free agents that could be worth a roster spot.

Also, I would actually be a bit surprised it they DIDN'T make CP3 a max offer, just because they can, and I'm not ruling out a play for Josh Smith and/or Andre Igoudala if he decides to opt out. The word out of the front office is that Defensive improvement is priority #1 this offseason, and adding one of the NBA's elite defenders in iggy or jsmoove would be a big step in the right direction.

Drool.

I truly could care less about Bayless, Collison and Jennings though. I'd be more depressed than excited with those 3 brought on board. Gerald Henderson, Gary Neal, Mozgov and Splitter would be great additions, with only Gerald as a possible starter hopefully.
Adding Iggy or Josh Smith would put us right in the middle of the playoffs next year.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 4:19 pm

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The word out of the front office is that Defensive improvement is priority #1 this offseason, and adding one of the NBA's elite defenders in iggy or jsmoove would be a big step in the right direction.

Truth is, they don't even need to sign a defensive stopper to become a better defensive team. Addition by subtraction will help this team in that area big time. Losing Al (if that's the direction the team goes), which also leads to playing more Favors, will knock the defense up a couple notches without spending a penny on a FA.

However, if not Tyreke Evans, I would say that a player like Iggy (at the right price) would make me almost as happy.
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PostSubject: Re: Best free agents of 2013   Tue May 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Mutangclan wrote:
TheMagnus wrote:

So I am actually kind of expecting them to join the fray this summer, for these young restricted free agents especially. Teague, Bayless, Evans, Collison, maybe even Jennings are all guys I could see being in play. In other positions I think they could also look to make a splash, Gerald Henderson, Gary Neal, Ivan Johnson, Austin Daye, Timofey Mozgov and Tiago Splitter are all restricted free agents that could be worth a roster spot.

Also, I would actually be a bit surprised it they DIDN'T make CP3 a max offer, just because they can, and I'm not ruling out a play for Josh Smith and/or Andre Igoudala if he decides to opt out. The word out of the front office is that Defensive improvement is priority #1 this offseason, and adding one of the NBA's elite defenders in iggy or jsmoove would be a big step in the right direction.

Drool.

I truly could care less about Bayless, Collison and Jennings though. I'd be more depressed than excited with those 3 brought on board. Gerald Henderson, Gary Neal, Mozgov and Splitter would be great additions, with only Gerald as a possible starter hopefully.
Adding Iggy or Josh Smith would put us right in the middle of the playoffs next year.

Hmmm. The "Go Big or Go Home" strategy? I will be shocked, (but pleasantly) if the Jazz FO rolls this way. In another thread I waxed bored-Monday philosophic on the "Hold Your Cards Go Slow" approach, which is actually what I think the Jazz are gonna do. They are plotting 2-4 years out, not next season in my opinion. But who wouldn't want CP3 hitting GH on the break, or barring that 'cause everyone is covered, pulling up for the short J-and-one? Dreams are good.
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