Mo out "indefinitely"

"The MRI revealed damage"

Whatever that means, he's going to have another tomorrow.

In the meantime we can speculate, and right now he says that it feels like when he tore a ligament, he's got numbness and swelling, combined with an MRI revealing "Damage" is not a good sign. If he has a ligament tear he'll likely be out at least a few weeks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8775813/mo-williams-utah-jazz-indefinitely

Jamaal and Earl time. I'm not too excited about either one but it could be worse. The Jazz can still make the playoffs if Mo is out 2 months like he was when he tore the same thumb, but it'll be tough. I think Tinsley can rise to effectiveness better than Watson when given the starters minutes... especially if he gets into the paint and pushes the ball.

aliveandkickin wrote:

Jamaal and Earl time. I'm not too excited about either one but it could be worse. The Jazz can still make the playoffs if Mo is out 2 months like he was when he tore the same thumb, but it'll be tough. I think Tinsley can rise to effectiveness better than Watson when given the starters minutes... especially if he gets into the paint and pushes the ball.

If he is going to be out that long, I would expect the Jazz to make a move soon to get another PG.

Romoholic wrote:

aliveandkickin wrote:

Jamaal and Earl time. I'm not too excited about either one but it could be worse. The Jazz can still make the playoffs if Mo is out 2 months like he was when he tore the same thumb, but it'll be tough. I think Tinsley can rise to effectiveness better than Watson when given the starters minutes... especially if he gets into the paint and pushes the ball.

If he is going to be out that long, I would expect the Jazz to make a move soon to get another PG.

What would it take to get Calderon? He'd STILL, be a wonderful fit.

Mutangclan wrote:

Romoholic wrote:

aliveandkickin wrote:

Jamaal and Earl time. I'm not too excited about either one but it could be worse. The Jazz can still make the playoffs if Mo is out 2 months like he was when he tore the same thumb, but it'll be tough. I think Tinsley can rise to effectiveness better than Watson when given the starters minutes... especially if he gets into the paint and pushes the ball.

If he is going to be out that long, I would expect the Jazz to make a move soon to get another PG.

What would it take to get Calderon? He'd STILL, be a wonderful fit.

Probably one of the Bigs

Supposedly had a MRI and saw the Jazz specialist on Monday, but no word on the results. In these cases silence is usually a bad thing. My guess is Mo is out at least a month, probably two. If the ligament is fully torn he will need surgery and it will be at least 6 weeks before he gets the cast off.

My guess is that they won't look to make a move for a stop-gap at PG. Foye can play the point and the Jazz seem pretty content with Tinsley and Watson, though (especially in Watsons case) I don't really understand why. If they make a move it will be with the long term in mind, not salvaging this season.

If they would bench Watson, give Foye the PG minutes, and let Burks on the court a little more I'd be thrilled.

Interesting stat of the day:

The Jazz are 4-1 when Tinsley starts.

TheMagnus wrote:

Supposedly had a MRI and saw the Jazz specialist on Monday, but no word on the results. In these cases silence is usually a bad thing. My guess is Mo is out at least a month, probably two. If the ligament is fully torn he will need surgery and it will be at least 6 weeks before he gets the cast off.

My guess is that they won't look to make a move for a stop-gap at PG. Foye can play the point and the Jazz seem pretty content with Tinsley and Watson, though (especially in Watsons case) I don't really understand why. If they make a move it will be with the long term in mind, not salvaging this season.

If they would bench Watson, give Foye the PG minutes, and let Burks on the court a little more I'd be thrilled.

Interesting stat of the day:

The Jazz are 4-1 when Tinsley starts.

JT can't score for shit, but he can dish the rock and sets guys up pretty well. His D is terrible also.

TheMagnus wrote:

Supposedly had a MRI and saw the Jazz specialist on Monday, but no word on the results. In these cases silence is usually a bad thing. My guess is Mo is out at least a month, probably two. If the ligament is fully torn he will need surgery and it will be at least 6 weeks before he gets the cast off.

My guess is that they won't look to make a move for a stop-gap at PG. Foye can play the point and the Jazz seem pretty content with Tinsley and Watson, though (especially in Watsons case) I don't really understand why. If they make a move it will be with the long term in mind, not salvaging this season.

If they would bench Watson, give Foye the PG minutes, and let Burks on the court a little more I'd be thrilled.

Interesting stat of the day:

The Jazz are 4-1 when Tinsley starts.

I of course like the idea of Burks getting more minutes, but just really dont like Foye playing the PG ever. His defense IMO is actually worse than Tinsley's, and thats saying something. He also can't set up others. Still love Foye's shooting, and it's needed and won games, but really just want him at the 6th man. I think it's time to move Burks to the starting 2 guard, and get Foye on the second unit. End of game scenarios can be dictated by who is playing the best that day, matchups etc between he and Foye, and even Marvin. Gordo almost always ends games.

If Mo is indeed out 2 months (and nice call btw Magnus, I remember saying its not if, but when Mo goes out, when we signed him) then I dont think we make a stop gap move. Mo is just on this years contract, right? Go after Calderon, see how that fits and in the offseason look at both of them. Calderon is still playing like an elite PG. I know his D is not any good either, but his shooting is great, his setting up guys is best in the league up there with CP3. So the good he brings outweight the bad. I can't believe someone like Dallas or others aren't going after him.

Mutangclan wrote:

I of course like the idea of Burks getting more minutes, but just really dont like Foye playing the PG ever. His defense IMO is actually worse than Tinsley's, and thats saying something. He also can't set up others. Still love Foye's shooting, and it's needed and won games, but really just want him at the 6th man. I think it's time to move Burks to the starting 2 guard, and get Foye on the second unit. End of game scenarios can be dictated by who is playing the best that day, matchups etc between he and Foye, and even Marvin. Gordo almost always ends games.

If Mo is indeed out 2 months (and nice call btw Magnus, I remember saying its not if, but when Mo goes out, when we signed him) then I dont think we make a stop gap move. Mo is just on this years contract, right? Go after Calderon, see how that fits and in the offseason look at both of them. Calderon is still playing like an elite PG. I know his D is not any good either, but his shooting is great, his setting up guys is best in the league up there with CP3. So the good he brings outweight the bad. I can't believe someone like Dallas or others aren't going after him.

See but you are forgetting about Carroll in all of that rotation buisness, and Carroll has been better than any of them so far. I actually think Carroll should start, that first unit needs his energy and his D, but he and Hayward play really well together so it's not really cut and dry.

As far as the PG's we have, that's why I was talking about Watson and not Tinsley. Tinsley is horrible defensively and not much better offensively, but it is astonishing what a difference he makes in the way the Jazz execute while he is on the floor, it's almost inexplicable how a player could be that bad individually and that good for the team at the same time, but Tinsley does it.

Watson, on the other hand, is terrible by any measure. If Tinsley is bad offensively, Watson is the Charles Manson of offense, he is horrifically, historically, bad. Dude is shooting 31/15/57 (!!!), he scores 5 points per 36 minutes of floor time, and the Jazz are worse as a team both offensively and defensively when he is on the court. Now, the only player worse in terms of team on/off numbers is Foye, but if you are going to put Burks out there with Watson, Hayward, Favors, and Kanter I think you are setting him up to fail, because that group spreads the court like a 2nd grade rec team.

Ultimately, I think if the Jazz really want to be a better team right now they shouldn't be looking for minutes for Burks, they should be shortening the rotation. There are 9 guys that are making a positive contribution (either individually or to the team) now, Jefferson, Millsap, Mo, Marvin, Hayward, Favors, Carroll, Tinsley, Kanter, and Tinsley and Kanter are only positive from a team standpoint, their individual contributions are below average.

So when you get down to it you really have 7 guys that should be getting 90% of the minutes, with 2-3 more getting scrap minutes as needed. That is how most NBA coaches work their rotations, and I've actaully heard Corbin drawing some criticism recently for his first-unit/second-unit approach, and I think I kind of Echo that criticism. I mean, Corbins big justification for doing it was to create consistency within the units, but that doesn't exactly hold water when he has never stopped tinkering with them. I could buy it if it was creating more minutes for young players like Burks, but instead it is just creating more minutes for guys like Foye and Tinsley and Watson.

I guess I'd just like to see him decide what he really wants to do with this team and go with it, I feel like we are watching some experiment and nobody really knows what they want from this team. If they want to play for now, make the playoffs, win as many games as possible, then stop dinkin' around with the rotations, shorten it up, and go for it. If this is going to be a trasition year, if we are more worried about player development and the future than the present, then stop indulging in the safety of unproductive veterans and put the young guys on the court. It's just frustrating not knowing which of those two things I'm watching this year, and feeling like we are 1/3 of the way through the season and they don't know either.

Though I like Mo, I'm expecting Jazz be noticealy better without him. I'm even going to bet on that in GTS.

TheMagnus wrote:

If this is going to be a trasition year, if we are more worried about player development and the future than the present, then stop indulging in the safety of unproductive veterans and put the young guys on the court. It's just frustrating not knowing which of those two things I'm watching this year, and feeling like we are 1/3 of the way through the season and they don't know either.

That hits the nail on the head. I think Corbin is still stuck with the idea that the Jazz as constituted are a good playoff caliber team. I think we have all seen by this point that they aren't, much to some's surprise, including mine. Otherwise solid looking pieces have not gelled the way we had hoped. If I'm GM at this point I pull Corbin aside and tell him this year is building for next year and the ridiculous salary flexibility, get the young kids the auditions they need. Its pretty obvious Foye, Marvin, Tinsley, Watson, and either/or Al or Sap are not in long range plans. Hell, Moe probably isn't either. I say get the young guys the auditions they need now and so the FO can figure out how to rebuild around who. Give DC super meaningful minutes so he will want to re-sign, (he seems like a loyalty guy). Simply shortening the rotation and making a run at the 7 or 8 seed seems short-sighted, and doing that plus not making the playoffs would be the ultimate disaster and would look a lot like Randy Foye starting the rest of the season (which is a goddamn joke - he is a one trick streak shooter and should be used accordingly).

Quote :

"... it's almost inexplicable how a player could be that bad individually and that good for the team at the same time, but Tinsley does it."

~Magnus

^ this.

I have seen this dynamic where the team's improvement occurs with the player among the 5 on the court, but in ways and to a degree NOT explicable by any measurable contribution. It seems there are things more subtle, more interrelated/interconnected/interdependent, and more mutually multivariate that effect outcomes than we are able to easily identify. (especially by the simple box score metrics)

But like you, I swear it happens. It's just really hard to explain.

TheMagnus wrote:

I guess I'd just like to see him decide what he really wants to do with this team and go with it, I feel like we are watching some experiment and nobody really knows what they want from this team. If they want to play for now, make the playoffs, win as many games as possible, then stop dinkin' around with the rotations, shorten it up, and go for it. If this is going to be a trasition year, if we are more worried about player development and the future than the present, then stop indulging in the safety of unproductive veterans and put the young guys on the court. It's just frustrating not knowing which of those two things I'm watching this year, and feeling like we are 1/3 of the way through the season and they don't know either.

Perfectly said. Agree 100%

Williams will get a second opinion on his hand in the next day or two, from the same doctor that operated on the same thumb a couple years ago.

As I said before, to me this all points to surgery and, as strange as it sounds, the recovery time if he gets surgery could actually be shorter than if he doesn't. Mo says it still hurts and he has no strength in it, I can vouch for the fact that thumb injuries take FOREVER to heal, and if you don't let them heal all the way then you are almost guaranteed to re-injure them.

So as I said before, I'd say the earliest we are going to see Mo back on the court is after the All start break, which is 23 games away.

Also interesting to note is how this could effect the Jazz plans. If my prediction holds, that would put Mo out until after the trade deadline. I could easily see that creating a little more urgency on the trade front.

TheMagnus wrote:

Supposedly had a MRI and saw the Jazz specialist on Monday, but no word on the results. In these cases silence is usually a bad thing. My guess is Mo is out at least a month, probably two. If the ligament is fully torn he will need surgery and it will be at least 6 weeks before he gets the cast off.

My guess is that they won't look to make a move for a stop-gap at PG. Foye can play the point and the Jazz seem pretty content with Tinsley and Watson, though (especially in Watsons case) I don't really understand why. If they make a move it will be with the long term in mind, not salvaging this season.

If they would bench Watson, give Foye the PG minutes, and let Burks on the court a little more I'd be thrilled.

Interesting stat of the day:

The Jazz are 4-1 when Tinsley starts.

Has to be 2 losses i would think. Did earl start one of the games against the clips?

Mo had surgery on his thumb today, he will be in a cast for 6 weeks and re-evaluated then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8807420/mo-williams-utah-jazz-point-guard-6-weeks-thumb-surgery

So what I said before holds, he'll get the cast off at the All-Star break, and I'm sure try and get back on the court by the end of February.

Sucks man, that's at least the next 30 games he misses, at most he plays half the season this year.

TheMagnus wrote:

Mo had surgery on his thumb today, he will be in a cast for 6 weeks and re-evaluated then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8807420/mo-williams-utah-jazz-point-guard-6-weeks-thumb-surgery

So what I said before holds, he'll get the cast off at the All-Star break, and I'm sure try and get back on the court by the end of February.

Sucks man, that's at least the next 30 games he misses, at most he plays half the season this year.

By the end of Feb the Jazz will be well out of a playoff hunt without a PG upgrade, given Tinsley/Watson is arguably one of the worst one-two PG line-ups in the league. So, assuming the Jazz don't go that way, (upgrade), I say this season is now, thanks to Mo's thumb and inexplicably an unjellable line-up of talented players, one to play around with for the future.

MTJazz wrote:

By the end of Feb the Jazz will be well out of a playoff hunt without a PG upgrade, given Tinsley/Watson is arguably one of the worst one-two PG line-ups in the league. So, assuming the Jazz don't go that way, (upgrade), I say this season is now, thanks to Mo's thumb and inexplicably an unjellable line-up of talented players, one to play around with for the future.

That is possible, but I'm not sure it will be because the Jazz are playing a lot worse than we thought they would.

The Rockets and Warriors are much better than I think anybody thought they would be, both of them are looking legit right now, Denver is rising up to where everybody thought they would be. Right now I'd project all three of those teams to win 50+ games.

Right now Hollingers Playoff odds have those top 7 teams all over 90% probablility to make the playoffs, after that there is a huge drop to the Lakers at around 43% and then the Jazz at around 33%. If the Lakers get hot and the rest continue to play as they are right now the playoff field could be all but set by the end of February.

This is a better thread to post this....

I was and still am fine with adding Marv/Foye/Mo and their contracts. Its Corbin and his coaching ability I'm having a hard time with. Jerry had his faults, but he was one of the best at taking an average player like Shandon Anderson, and putting him in a position to succeed.

Corbin on the other hand, is starting Foye (FAIL) wanting DFav on the block posting up verses getting him the ball while moving ala Amare' a few years ago (FAIL), over-relying on Al's scoring which is counter-productive to the other starters(FAIL) trying to make Foye a leading scorer (FAIL), and of course not starting DC and keeping the youngs on a short short leash, even when they are balling. In reality, trying to be a GS team in the past, over-relying on offense to win..... Fail, fail, fail. Ty Corbin, Keith Smart, and Lawrence Frank all this year are in the same boat of NOT getting the most out of their team because of their own terrible coaching.

Guys have certain skill sets (Foye= 3pt, spot up shooter/one trick pony NOT Kobe), and I dont think Corbin and his staff are able to sufficiently identify what those are, when/how they should be deployed, or who to play them with.
And I'm extremely worried about the losses piling up because of that. Having Mo go down almost makes it a guarantee this is NOT a playoff year, unless a starting PG is traded for.

On the other more-wishful side of this, I think that if Mo had been healthy, that DC started with Marv/Paul/Al and Mo, then I think this team absolutely makes the playoffs with those other teams.

Mutangclan wrote:

This is a better thread to post this....

I was and still am fine with adding Marv/Foye/Mo and their contracts. Its Corbin and his coaching ability I'm having a hard time with. Jerry had his faults, but he was one of the best at taking an average player like Shandon Anderson, and putting him in a position to succeed.

Corbin on the other hand, is starting Foye (FAIL) wanting DFav on the block posting up verses getting him the ball while moving ala Amare' a few years ago (FAIL), over-relying on Al's scoring which is counter-productive to the other starters(FAIL) trying to make Foye a leading scorer (FAIL), and of course not starting DC and keeping the youngs on a short short leash, even when they are balling. In reality, trying to be a GS team in the past, over-relying on offense to win..... Fail, fail, fail. Ty Corbin, Keith Smart, and Lawrence Frank all this year are in the same boat of NOT getting the most out of their team because of their own terrible coaching.

Guys have certain skill sets (Foye= 3pt, spot up shooter/one trick pony NOT Kobe), and I dont think Corbin and his staff are able to sufficiently identify what those are, when/how they should be deployed, or who to play them with.
And I'm extremely worried about the losses piling up because of that. Having Mo go down almost makes it a guarantee this is NOT a playoff year, unless a starting PG is traded for.

On the other more-wishful side of this, I think that if Mo had been healthy, that DC started with Marv/Paul/Al and Mo, then I think this team absolutely makes the playoffs with those other teams.

I guess I disagree on the Foye/Marvin experiment. Neither is playing up to their salary. Clearly it is second guessing on my part with 20:20 hindsight, but I think the Jazz were over-enamored with 3 point conversion stats with those guys and failed to critically assess their body of work as NBA players. Foye is becoming a journeyman for a reason and Marv, well, pretty clear he is what he is, and that is not a starter on a team going places. There were plenty of other one trick and a half 3 point shooters out there and available for less money (see Kyle Korver, 3 years at $5 mill each, currently hitting 44% of his threes). Completley agree with you on Corbin not using them as they should be, but still. Thankfully they are not tying the Jazz up with long-term contracts but I think it is fair to say that the gamble of higher 3 point percentage versus contribution to wins didn't pan out.

MTJazz wrote:

I guess I disagree on the Foye/Marvin experiment. Neither is playing up to their salary. Clearly it is second guessing on my part with 20:20 hindsight, but I think the Jazz were over-enamored with 3 point conversion stats with those guys and failed to critically assess their body of work as NBA players. Foye is becoming a journeyman for a reason and Marv, well, pretty clear he is what he is, and that is not a starter on a team going places. There were plenty of other one trick and a half 3 point shooters out there and available for less money (see Kyle Korver, 3 years at $5 mill each, currently hitting 44% of his threes). Completley agree with you on Corbin not using them as they should be, but still. Thankfully they are not tying the Jazz up with long-term contracts but I think it is fair to say that the gamble of higher 3 point percentage versus contribution to wins didn't pan out.

Well I'm sure you're right, but the 3pt shooting was the most glaring need. We were destroyed because we have none. I think they're fine, just again, Corbin is trying to make Foye into Kobe, instead of making him Bruce Bowen or Steve Kerr, John Paxson, Kyle Korver, Craig Hodges, Dennis Scott and so on. And isn't Foye's contract like 2m per or something like that? It's just Ty not knowing how to use him, AT ALL.

Marv is the same thing, except he'll get you some rebs and is a fairly decent defender. But in the starting unit, he should be the last option. Dont forget, we got him for Devin, and Marv never has played up to his $$, and that was ATL's fault. I'll take the wing we needed, verses Devin any day though. I think Marv is a pretty good starter/last option. And he can go off from time to time, while also doing a pretty good job on D, with some boards. But when Foye is out there, it makes it worse for everyone. And strangely, I think the way Marv is played, is actually one of the few things Ty has been doing right.(Gordo takes over after the initial start by Marv)

I put 100% on Ty and his coaching staff. On a team like this, where there are no superstars, you will fail if your coaching staff tries to make some players superstars, when they are all role players.

MTJazz wrote:

I guess I disagree on the Foye/Marvin experiment. Neither is playing up to their salary. Clearly it is second guessing on my part with 20:20 hindsight, but I think the Jazz were over-enamored with 3 point conversion stats with those guys and failed to critically assess their body of work as NBA players. Foye is becoming a journeyman for a reason and Marv, well, pretty clear he is what he is, and that is not a starter on a team going places. There were plenty of other one trick and a half 3 point shooters out there and available for less money (see Kyle Korver, 3 years at $5 mill each, currently hitting 44% of his threes). Completley agree with you on Corbin not using them as they should be, but still. Thankfully they are not tying the Jazz up with long-term contracts but I think it is fair to say that the gamble of higher 3 point percentage versus contribution to wins didn't pan out.

But, honestly, what do you expect to get for $2.8 million a year? The dude is 7th in the NBA in 3pt FG's made, he's shooting over 40% from deep, he's a 7 year veteran, even if he does nothing else you really don't think that is worth $2.8 Million a year?

As far as Marvin goes, if you took a snapshot right now and just went off of that I'd definitely agree with you, but I think he played better earlier this year, and I think he has had some injuries that are hurting him. I think the biggest thing about Marvin is that he is a seriously underapreciated defender. He is litterally the only regular starter to have a net positive on/off rating, and I think that is almost entirely because of his presense defensively.

Last night he looked great, he had a treatment on his knee, took a couple days to rest, and I think that is the real Marvin Williams, the one that the Jazz traded for. Is a guy who will shoot a good percentage, give you 10-12 points, 5 rebounds, a couple assists a steal and a block or two while plaing really solid D in 25-30 minutes a game worth 8.3 Million? Probably not, but he's not wildly overpaid at that salary either.

Work is slow today, so I'm playing with the trade machine, trying to figure out how to get a stop-gap PG for the team without giving up much. Here's what I've come up with (not saying they are all realistic, this isn't super weel thought out): Eastern Conference:

Boston gets: Bell (3.5 million x 1 year), Watson (2.0 X 1 year), Foye (2.6 X 1)
Utah gets: Avery Bradley (1.6 million X 2 years) & Courtney Lee (5.0 million X 4 years)
For Boston, this would be all about getting rid of Lee's long term contract & getting expiring contracts in return. Foye could be plugged in for Lee in their line-up, while Watson could give them the 10 MPG when Rondo needs a rest. The Jazz get Bradley at PG, who is a young, good defender that performed very well before his injury. They can take on Lee's contract since they have very few long term contracts on their roster.

Charlotte gets: Bell, Watson and a pick.
Utah gets: Ramon Sessions (5.0 million X 2 years)
Again, getting expring contracts in exchange for a 2 year deal, plus getting a pick for Sessions isn't a bad deal, especialy since the Bobcats have Kemba as their primary PG. The Jazz get Sessions to man the point, and pretty much just lose a draft pick.

Detroit gets: Bell + a pick.
Utah gets: Will Bynum (3.3 mil x 1 years)
Detroit essentialy gets a pick for Bynum. They already have Stuckey & Knight. Bymun has filled in admirably when Stuckey is out, and is a young PG who could be a long term boarderline starter if given the chance.

Milwaukee gets: Bell & Watson (maybe a 2nd rounder)
Utah gets: Beno Udrih (7.4 million for 1 year)
Beno isn't playing much for the Bucks with Ellis & Jennings both playing big minutes. He has shown to be a decent PG when given a chance, but he makes WAY more scratch than he's worth. The Bucks would save some "bucks" this year by moving him for Bell & Watson, but it still works under the salary trade rules.

New York gets: Bell, Murphy + a pick
Utah gets: Iman Shumpert (1.6 million for 3 years) & the corpse of Kurt Thomas (1.4 mil X 1 yr)
Shumpert is more of a combo guard & has been out all year with an injury, but has "potential". The Knicks haven't needed him so far, so why not move him for a pick & a couple potential shooters (1 young & 1 old)?

Indiana gets: Bell + a pick
Utah gets: DJ Augustin (3.5 million x 1 yr)
DJ has fallen out of things in IND, but might do well with a change of scenery & a possible starting gig. He was a pretty good player in CHA. Would Indiana part with him for a washed up Raja & a draft pick? If not, how about.....

Indiana gets: Foye & Watson
Utah gets: Augustin & some guy named Plumlee (4 years x 1.1 mil)
Foye would be in Indiana's regular rotation, Watson could take DJ's minutes. Augustin gets his fresh start with possible starter minutes. Plumlee has played in 6 games for about 4 minutes a game, but he's a big (6'11" 255) so hopefully he can make himself useful for the 4 years he's on the hook for.

Chicago gets: Bell, Foye & Watson, possibly a pick
Utah get: Rip Hamilton (2 years x 3.0 mil), K.Hinrich (2 years 3.9 mil)
Another team that would have to do this purley as a cap space move. Rose should be back after the All Star break, which will cut into Hinrich's usefullness & PT. Watson gets some of the PG minutes, but the Bulls are still left with Nate Robinson & M.Teague at PG as well. Hinrich would be a nice starting PG with Mo out & can play Foye's role (but better) when Mo comes back. Rip isn't as good as he used to be, but still has a little life in him .... I think.

Westerm Conference:

Denver gets: Bell, Watson & a pick
Utah gets: Andre Miller (5.0 million x 3 years)
Are the Nuggets wanting to get out of Miller's 3 year 5 million contract? If so, how about taking on the expiring contract of Watson & Bell, and grab a draft pick as well. Of coarse, do the Jazz want to be saddled with a 3 year deal on a declining Andre Miller? It would be an upgrade for this year to bring the former Ute to Utah, but after that ...??

Houston gets: Earl Watson + a pick
Utah gets: Tony Douglas (2.1 million x 1 year)
Not sure that the Rockets would want to do this, but if they want a draft pick for Douglas, plus Watson as their back-up, then this is the deal for them.

Lakers get: Bell
Utah gets: Chris Duhon (3.5 mil x 2 yr)
Is Duhon even an upgrade over what the Jazz have? If so, how about a straight up swap of Kobe's buddy Bell for Duhon?

Memphis gets: Bell + a pick
Utah gets: Jerryd Bayless (3.0 mil x 2 yr)
Bayless is a guy I always thought would be better, but it just hasn't worked out for him. He's still young enough to improve though. Memphis gets 3 million off the books next year & a pick.

Minnesota gets: Bell & Foye + pick
Utah gets: Luke Ridnour (4.0 mil x 2 yr) & Malcolm Lee (760K x 2 yr)
Rubio SHOULD be back playing regularly soon, plus they have Barea & Shved that play PG. Foye + a pick for Ridnour is a fair deal IMO. Bell & Lee make the deal work financially. Who knows, maybe Bell would like to get off his ass & go play with AK again.

Portland gets: Bell & a pick
Utah gets: D. Lillard
Ok, just kidding.


There has already been debate about trades with SAC & TOR, so I didn't bother including them in my "just for fun" posts.

zero24gravity wrote:

Westerm Conference:


in progress......

No need, man, I would take any one of those EC trades in a heart beat! You don't happen to have Lindsey's email address, do you?