Last 10 Games versus Season

Ok, Admittedly I cherry picked this a bit by putting the table together right after Kanter had a big game, but it looks like Kanter and Favors are stepping up their games. Tendex is a productivity measure similar to Larry Miller's old rating system and NBA.com efficiency rating. I've got tendex/48 mins for the last 10 games and tendex/48 mins for the season. Definition is in next post.

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Player	TotalMinsLast10	Tendex/48	Player	SeasonTendex/48
Kant	125	33.79	Jeff	30.26
Favs	229	29.97	Mill	28.47
Jeff	329	27.90	Favs	25.56
Mill	317	27.79	Kant	23.09
Carr	168	22.64	Mo	22.14
Hayw	109	19.89	Carr	21.72
Foye	151	18.94	Hayw	21.51
Wats	149	18.85	Tins	18.83
Tins	227	17.55	Foye	17.08
Marv	273	14.42	Marv	16.17
Burk	167	14.01	Wats	15.97
			Burk	14.11
			*Evan	18.43

* Not meaningful minutes.

"The current MyTendex formula is:

(PTS - FGmsd - FTmsd/2 + 0.5*m3 + 1.25*st + 1.25*as + bl + reb - 1.25*to - tc - 2*ff - pf/2)
/ GamesPlayed

PTS = Total Points Scored
FGmsd = Field Goals Missed
FTmsd = Free Throws Missed
m3 = Made Three Pointers
st = Steals
as = Assists
bl = Blocks
Reb = Total Rebounds (defensive & offensive)
to = Turnovers
tc = Technicals
ff = flagrants (Note that I don't get this data anymore
pf = Personal Fouls

There is also a TND value normalized to 48 minutes."

http://www.dougstats.com/Tendex.html

Crunchtime1 wrote:

Ok, Admittedly I cherry picked this a bit by putting the table together right after Kanter had a big game, but it looks like Kanter and Favors are stepping up their games. Tendex is a productivity measure similar to Larry Miller's old rating system and NBA.com efficiency rating. I've got tendex/48 mins for the last 10 games and tendex/48 mins for the season. Definition is in next post.

There it is, then. Of course this rating doesn't take into account starter v. starter versus second units going at each other. But it does suggest what the non-stat eyeball has been saying all season, that minute per minute Kanter is the most productive player on the team. Against starters, and starter minutes, who knows, but in my book I think he is more than ready for the bright lights try after Al/Sap move on next year. I say give him some run against the opposing starters, not relegating to him to the multiple horn call when all teams mysteriously decide, at the same time, to put in their second units to do battle while their starters rest up and gird themselves, the starters knowing they will go back into the game, regardless of how poorly or well they played.

MTJazz wrote:

There it is, then. Of course this rating doesn't take into account starter v. starter versus second units going at each other. But it does suggest what the non-stat eyeball has been saying all season, that minute per minute Kanter is the most productive player on the team. Against starters, and starter minutes, who knows, but in my book I think he is more than ready for the bright lights try after Al/Sap move on next year. I say give him some run against the opposing starters, not relegating to him to the multiple horn call when all teams mysteriously decide, at the same time, to put in their second units to do battle while their starters rest up and gird themselves, the starters knowing they will go back into the game, regardless of how poorly or well they played.

Yes, good point about Kanter not going against starters for the most part, but certainly his performance lately has been encouraging. As you recall, he had a fantastic pre-season, but we discounted that because some of the guys he played against then didn't even make the NBA. Now he is putting up great stats against NBA players, albeit most of them probably second unit players, but it is not out of the realm of possibilility that someday he will be putting up great stats against starters. I don't pretend to know how to judge a player's upside, but given how little experience Kanter has and how well he is already performing, it seems possible that he really has a lot of upside. JMO.

Definitely a nice future ahead for both Favors and Kanter. I always feel like we need a reminder that Kanter is only 20 and Favors is 21. They've both got 3-4 years before they reach their physical peak, to say nothing of their skill development.

Also would like to point out Demarre Carroll on these lists. There is an almost air tight statistical case that he has been the Jazz best AND most consistent guard/wing this season.

Omer Asik, another Turkish player, is turning in to a pretty decent starting center for Houston. He's got a 25.91 tendex per 48 mins and is number three in the league in rebounding. In his second NBA season at Chicago last year, Asik averaged 14 mpg with a 22.24 tendex per 48 mins. Halfway through Kanter's second NBA season, he is averaging the same 14 mpg with a 23.09 tendex per 48 mins, with his tendex on the rise. Given Kanter's recent uptick in stats, given that he is only 20 years old, whereas Asik was already 25 years old in his second NBA season, it is not hard to dream that Kanter has starter potential like Asik, with as much upside, and quite possibly more upside, than Asik has. JMO.

Asik's stats:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4499

Kanter's stats:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4899

TheMagnus wrote:

Definitely a nice future ahead for both Favors and Kanter. I always feel like we need a reminder that Kanter is only 20 and Favors is 21. They've both got 3-4 years before they reach their physical peak, to say nothing of their skill development.

Yep, good reminder about their young ages.

TheMagnus wrote:

Also would like to point out Demarre Carroll on these lists. There is an almost air tight statistical case that he has been the Jazz best AND most consistent guard/wing this season.

Yep, gotta love the Junkyard Dog!

Further regarding the Junkyard Dog, I thought this was interesting: The Junkyard Dog is running away with the title for the Jazz player with the best Plus/Minus. Kanter is number two.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22012&split=9&team=Jazz

Crunchtime1 wrote:

Further regarding the Junkyard Dog, I thought this was interesting: The Junkyard Dog is running away with the title for the Jazz player with the best Plus/Minus. Kanter is number two.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22012&split=9&team=Jazz

It is pretty clear that the Jazz has a very good Young group of player's that could turn into very good players in this league and with the way Burks has been playing I think his name can be added to this list, it makes a big difference when a players get's real game playing time and Burks is starting to show what he can do when he get's it. I was not so sure that Burks could play the PG position but after watching him in these last few game's I think with hard work he just might be able to become a starting caliber type PG in this league.

Crunchtime1 wrote:

Ok, Admittedly I cherry picked this a bit by putting the table together right after Kanter had a big game, but it looks like Kanter and Favors are stepping up their games. Tendex is a productivity measure similar to Larry Miller's old rating system and NBA.com efficiency rating. I've got tendex/48 mins for the last 10 games and tendex/48 mins for the season. Definition is in next post.

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Player	TotalMinsLast10	Tendex/48	Player	SeasonTendex/48
Kant	125	33.79	Jeff	30.26
Favs	229	29.97	Mill	28.47
Jeff	329	27.90	Favs	25.56
Mill	317	27.79	Kant	23.09
Carr	168	22.64	Mo	22.14
Hayw	109	19.89	Carr	21.72
Foye	151	18.94	Hayw	21.51
Wats	149	18.85	Tins	18.83
Tins	227	17.55	Foye	17.08
Marv	273	14.42	Marv	16.17
Burk	167	14.01	Wats	15.97
			Burk	14.11
			*Evan	18.43

* Not meaningful minutes.

Great post and even better graphics!

The main theme I've noticed this season in Jazzland is more than a bit of angst over the vets playing while young development sits idle. What tends to be forgotten that your graphic picture puts into words is the developmental aspect that is heightening the angst. Player growth is reinforcing the view that these kids should play no matter what rather than creating a sense of appreciation for the growth itself, which is the underlying source for the angst.

Fairly obvious to us fans, but obviously gears are spinnin' in the FO we have no privy too. The game within the game. We look at this team as either: 1) meeting our need for a contender team and gratification vs: 2) Jazz FO trying to make money off our fan-dom, it is s a multi-million dollar biz. We lose, every time as fans, just the way it is. Plus the FO ****** up lots of times and we notice, but we still fill the seats, no matter what. Its a Utah thing.

MTJazz wrote:

Fairly obvious to us fans, but obviously gears are spinnin' in the FO we have no privy too. The game within the game. We look at this team as either: 1) meeting our need for a contender team and gratification vs: 2) Jazz FO trying to make money off our fan-dom, it is s a multi-million dollar biz. We lose, every time as fans, just the way it is. Plus the FO ****** up lots of times and we notice, but we still fill the seats, no matter what. Its a Utah thing.

Hey ROMO, since when do we censor the F word? Last I checked my daughter's tender ears weren't checking this site nor was the f word being abused.

MTJazz wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

Fairly obvious to us fans, but obviously gears are spinnin' in the FO we have no privy too. The game within the game. We look at this team as either: 1) meeting our need for a contender team and gratification vs: 2) Jazz FO trying to make money off our fan-dom, it is s a multi-million dollar biz. We lose, every time as fans, just the way it is. Plus the FO ****** up lots of times and we notice, but we still fill the seats, no matter what. Its a Utah thing.

Hey ROMO, since when do we censor the F word? Last I checked my daughter's tender ears weren't checking this site nor was the f word being abused.

That's been auto censor since we set up the board, we try to keep it PG-13 around here.

TheMagnus wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

Fairly obvious to us fans, but obviously gears are spinnin' in the FO we have no privy too. The game within the game. We look at this team as either: 1) meeting our need for a contender team and gratification vs: 2) Jazz FO trying to make money off our fan-dom, it is s a multi-million dollar biz. We lose, every time as fans, just the way it is. Plus the FO ****** up lots of times and we notice, but we still fill the seats, no matter what. Its a Utah thing.

Hey ROMO, since when do we censor the F word? Last I checked my daughter's tender ears weren't checking this site nor was the f word being abused.

That's been auto censor since we set up the board, we try to keep it PG-13 around here.

Are the words Lakers and Kobe still censored?

The Voice of Reason wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

Fairly obvious to us fans, but obviously gears are spinnin' in the FO we have no privy too. The game within the game. We look at this team as either: 1) meeting our need for a contender team and gratification vs: 2) Jazz FO trying to make money off our fan-dom, it is s a multi-million dollar biz. We lose, every time as fans, just the way it is. Plus the FO ****** up lots of times and we notice, but we still fill the seats, no matter what. Its a Utah thing.

Hey ROMO, since when do we censor the F word? Last I checked my daughter's tender ears weren't checking this site nor was the f word being abused.

That's been auto censor since we set up the board, we try to keep it PG-13 around here.

Are the words Lakers and Kobe still censored?

Guess not

The Voice of Reason wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

Fairly obvious to us fans, but obviously gears are spinnin' in the FO we have no privy too. The game within the game. We look at this team as either: 1) meeting our need for a contender team and gratification vs: 2) Jazz FO trying to make money off our fan-dom, it is s a multi-million dollar biz. We lose, every time as fans, just the way it is. Plus the FO ****** up lots of times and we notice, but we still fill the seats, no matter what. Its a Utah thing.

Hey ROMO, since when do we censor the F word? Last I checked my daughter's tender ears weren't checking this site nor was the f word being abused.

That's been auto censor since we set up the board, we try to keep it PG-13 around here.

Are the words Lakers and Kobe still censored?

Jezzzzzzzzus VOR, watch your mouth!!

Time for another update. I am cherry picking again by aggregating these stats after another great game by Kanter, but Kanter's season tendex per 48 mins is noticeably higher than it was last season, 23.55 vs 21.41, and it is still on the rise: 31.00 for the last ten. Kanter is accomplishing this at 20 years old while seeing limited playing time. Favor's year over year improvement on this stat is less, 24.88 vs. 24.35, but it is at a nice level and tendex per 48 likely fails to fully capture Favor's positive defensive impact on the games. Hayward has been great since his return and Junkyard Dog continues to impress. He is so far ahead of Marvin on these stats that you can drive two fully loaded semi trucks between them. Go Jazz!

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Player	TotalMinsLast10	Tendex/48	Player	SeasonTendex/48
Kant	180	31.00	Jeff	30.57
Favs	238	22.94	Mill	28.80
Jeff	299	33.83	Favs	24.88
Mill	237	31.90	Kant	23.55
Carr	203	23.65	Mo	22.14
Hayw	157	31.64	Carr	22.57
Foye	257	11.91	Hayw	22.71
Wats	167	12.43	Tins	19.09
Tins	157	21.48	Foye	16.53
Marv	202	10.51	Marv	15.69
Burk	283	18.15	Wats	15.17
			Burk	15.72
			*Evan	21.87

* Not meaningful minutes.

Crunchtime1 wrote:

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Player	TotalMinsLast10	Tendex/48	Player	SeasonTendex/48
Kant	180	31.00	Jeff	30.57
Favs	238	22.94	Mill	28.80
Jeff	299	33.83	Favs	24.88
Mill	237	31.90	Kant	23.55
Carr	203	23.65	Mo	22.14
Hayw	157	31.64	Carr	22.57
Foye	257	11.91	Hayw	22.71
Wats	167	12.43	Tins	19.09
Tins	157	21.48	Foye	16.53
Marv	202	10.51	Marv	15.69
Burk	283	18.15	Wats	15.17
			Burk	15.72
			*Evan	21.87

* Not meaningful minutes.

When I made the above table last Saturday, Watson, Foye and Marvin had horrible last ten games tendex scores. In tonight's game against Milwaukee, those three shot 0-15 from the field. That won't be helping them. At least Marvin finally got his minutes cut down in favor of Demarre. Too bad we lost though. We had chances to win it at end of regulation.

Crunchtime1 wrote:

Crunchtime1 wrote:

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Player	TotalMinsLast10	Tendex/48	Player	SeasonTendex/48
Kant	180	31.00	Jeff	30.57
Favs	238	22.94	Mill	28.80
Jeff	299	33.83	Favs	24.88
Mill	237	31.90	Kant	23.55
Carr	203	23.65	Mo	22.14
Hayw	157	31.64	Carr	22.57
Foye	257	11.91	Hayw	22.71
Wats	167	12.43	Tins	19.09
Tins	157	21.48	Foye	16.53
Marv	202	10.51	Marv	15.69
Burk	283	18.15	Wats	15.17
			Burk	15.72
			*Evan	21.87

* Not meaningful minutes.

When I made the above table last Saturday, Watson, Foye and Marvin had horrible last ten games tendex scores. In tonight's game against Milwaukee, those three shot 0-15 from the field. That won't be helping them. At least Marvin finally got his minutes cut down in favor of Demarre. Too bad we lost though. We had chances to win it at end of regulation.

This was lost because of the coaching. No freaking 3s Dam. take the foul at the end but never give them any type of three point shot! bye bye playoffs.