Off-season roster improvements

Don't we have our jumpshooters yet
Don't we have our PG yet
Wake me up when we have them

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outerspacefan wrote:

Don't we have our jumpshooters yet
Don't we have our PG yet
Wake me up when we have them

Love these things

Lets just hurry up and get the finals out of the way so we can move on to the off season!

Romoholic wrote:

outerspacefan wrote:

Don't we have our jumpshooters yet
Don't we have our PG yet
Wake me up when we have them

Love these things

Lets just hurry up and get the finals out of the way so we can move on to the off season!

Hey Draft Lottery is this week, HUGE HUGE!!!! Its not as set in stone as most pundits seem to be acting like. There is a great chance that GS gets moved back a slot from someone moving up. I personally cant wait for the lottery show. Not only is Utah going to be watching, but Dwill and all of the NJ brass and probably now Brooklyn will be watching. The dominoes that could fall from that one if NJ doesn't get a pick???? Whew.
Btw, if NJ doesn't get in the top 3, then that pick goes to Portland, huge swing! Then NJ doesn't have a draft pick to trade (Howard???) and Dwill has less of a reason to stay.... I'm just saying, I 100% more care about that GS pick, it'll be so freaking awesome for our team to get it. But there's some real comedy there if NJ falls out of the top 3.

By the way, looks like Dragic is the one thats staying in Houston, and Lowry will be the one available..... I could do that! I dont think he's injury prone, just had some bad luck. Good PG, good vision, hits the 3, good defender, young. Yea, I'd take him for sure if we dont get that draft pick.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/05/disgruntled-lowry-feels-its-his-time-to-move-on/

The whole trade for D Will is a fiasco for the Nets, and it's only gonna get worse when Deron leaves this summer. I'm not gonna get my hopes up about getting the GS pick, but if we don't get it, we have a nice trade asset with it.

i[m]M.V.P. wrote:

Within two weeks time, the off-season will begin for the Utah Jazz after being victimized by San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs are a championship caliber team highlighted by a dogged defense and balanced offense thanks to a great coach staff, 3 future Hall of Famers and a strong veteran bench. Playing tough D and having a balanced offense is the blue-print for any contender. Can the Jazz apply this model with their current roster. The answer is no.
On defense, Al Jefferson is inadequate due to his very slow reaction to provide weak side help and plays Boozer-like defense against penetrating guards.
On offense, the first option is to iso Jefferson causing the offense to stagnate. This happens because Harris doesn't efficiently orchestrate offense due to his shooting inconsistency, subpar passing ability and court vision. He's a shoot first PG that used to make his living off of penetration. Now that he is a step slower, he doesn't penetrate with regularity forcing the Jazz to iso Big Al on nearly every possession. In addition, neither Harris or Big Al play the pick n' roll which is a staple for every contender.

Some posters are high on Al due to his offense. I say his offense is over-rated because defense wins games. Take a look at Chicago Bulls this season. Boozer is their best offensive threat but they often time bench him in favor of a more defensive oriented Gibson. They win because of defense.

The Jazz need to strengthen their defense but they cannot do that with Jefferson in the line-up. The guys has to be traded. The question is for who? I don't know at this point.

However, OKC has 2 very intriguing restricted free agents after this season: Harden and Ibaka. OKC cannot afford to keep both. Thus, the Jazz should target one of them specifically Harden. Have you seen Harden play? The guy is Manu Ginobili-like. In crunch time of the last 2 playoff games, he is their main facilitator. With Harden on the Jazz, Utah won't need Harris.

If the jazz can't get Harden, target Ibaka. Ibaka and Favors are redundant but redundant defensive specialist. With Favors at center and Ibaka at PF, the defense is secured because both are exceptional pick n' roll defenders. No other NBA team will have this luxury. Consequently, with Ibaka on the team where is the offense coming from? From transition.
Fortify the defense now, worry about the offense later.

What are your thoughts and ideas for the off-season?

Wow, this seems right on! And, it was way before the playoffs even began!

Do we have any interest in Rudy Gay to be our stud SF? Keep Gordon at the 2....for some reason thinking of getting Gay is making me wonder if Burks can play the one(not sure why that makes me think of that)

Rudy is owed 53m over the next 3 years btw.
Then again, he's a really really good player, who does it at both ends.

Mutangclan wrote:

Do we have any interest in Rudy Gay to be our stud SF? Keep Gordon at the 2....for some reason thinking of getting Gay is making me wonder if Burks can play the one(not sure why that makes me think of that)

Rudy is owed 53m over the next 3 years btw.
Then again, he's a really really good player, who does it at both ends.

Gay & Iggy both bring it on both sides of the floor. Thing is, I don't see how the Jazz would be able to get Gay. The Grizz don't need Jefferson or Millsap (or Harris for that matter).

Nothing is impossible, but it would have to be a muti-team, multi-player trade in order to land Gay IMO.

Also, 53 M over 3 years is a lot to pay a guy who is not a top-tier All Star.

Yea, Memphis really doesn't need a big, which is our plethora.

More likely scenario I think, would be Utah continuing to talk with Houston. Houston has picked at 14 the last 3 years, and this year also has 16. They seem to be one team that more than any other is wanting to get rid of their draft picks, also dont need another rookie etc. I know they're going to go after D12 hard, but I dont see that happening. Houston also still needs a Center....Al Jeff for 14 and Martin??? Budinger?? Courtney Lee???? Wonder if KOC is working them for that and their 14 pick......at 14 Kendall Marshall will be available.....Think I'd really like that one.

Mutangclan wrote:

Yea, Memphis really doesn't need a big, which is our plethora.

More likely scenario I think, would be Utah continuing to talk with Houston. Houston has picked at 14 the last 3 years, and this year also has 16. They seem to be one team that more than any other is wanting to get rid of their draft picks, also dont need another rookie etc. I know they're going to go after D12 hard, but I dont see that happening. Houston also still needs a Center....Al Jeff for 14 and Martin??? Budinger?? Courtney Lee???? Wonder if KOC is working them for that and their 14 pick......at 14 Kendall Marshall will be available.....Think I'd really like that one.

If the Jazz talk with Houston about a trade, I would think it would be about Lowry or Dragic, not their draft pick. If I'm the Jazz F.O., I'd rather have a sure thing like Lowry, than take a chance on a mid-round draft pick at the PG.

Lowry/Martin for Jefferson/Bell/2nd round pick ?
Lowry/Martin/this years first round pick for Jefferson/Bell/GS pick + 2nd rounder ?

Lowry/Dalembert for Jefferson/Bell
Lowry/Dalmebert/this years first round pick for Jefferson/Bell/GS pick

zero24gravity wrote:

Mutangclan wrote:

Yea, Memphis really doesn't need a big, which is our plethora.

More likely scenario I think, would be Utah continuing to talk with Houston. Houston has picked at 14 the last 3 years, and this year also has 16. They seem to be one team that more than any other is wanting to get rid of their draft picks, also dont need another rookie etc. I know they're going to go after D12 hard, but I dont see that happening. Houston also still needs a Center....Al Jeff for 14 and Martin??? Budinger?? Courtney Lee???? Wonder if KOC is working them for that and their 14 pick......at 14 Kendall Marshall will be available.....Think I'd really like that one.

If the Jazz talk with Houston about a trade, I would think it would be about Lowry or Dragic, not their draft pick. If I'm the Jazz F.O., I'd rather have a sure thing like Lowry, than take a chance on a mid-round draft pick at the PG.

Lowry/Martin for Jefferson/Bell/2nd round pick ?
Lowry/Martin/this years first round pick for Jefferson/Bell/GS pick + 2nd rounder ?

Lowry/Dalembert for Jefferson/Bell
Lowry/Dalmebert/this years first round pick for Jefferson/Bell/GS pick

I agree. I'd much rather get Lowry or Dragic, but my faith in that happening is pretty slim. However, Houston will definitely be keeping one of their PGs, and other NBA teams out there like Portland etc, will be throwing big money at whichever PG Houston doesn't keep. And history tells us Jazz fans, that we just usually aren't involved in those big money/battle for players like most teams. That said, I certainly love all your trade options. I just dont see Utah as being the one that sways Houston....we never seem to be that team.
But I do see them giving up their 14th pick. And it's not a high lotto pick/stud pick, but it's high enough to be able to get Marshall possibly, and also not be so high to not be worth the risk.

Some guy, who supposed to be a "Philly insider", post it in Sixers forum:

"we have talked to utah about jefferson and earl watson in an iguodala deal. nothing close...just conversation....will have plenty more talks with utah and other teams as we get towards end of month. Not sure if there were other parts to that deal..but we kinda like Watson as a backup to Jrue apparently."

RookieJazz wrote:

Some guy, who supposed to be a "Philly insider", post it in Sixers forum:

"we have talked to utah about jefferson and earl watson in an iguodala deal. nothing close...just conversation....will have plenty more talks with utah and other teams as we get towards end of month. Not sure if there were other parts to that deal..but we kinda like Watson as a backup to Jrue apparently."

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. Iggy's contract expires before any of our young guys come due for an extension and he'd be a great addition to the team.

RookieJazz wrote:

Some guy, who supposed to be a "Philly insider", post it in Sixers forum:

"we have talked to utah about jefferson and earl watson in an iguodala deal. nothing close...just conversation....will have plenty more talks with utah and other teams as we get towards end of month. Not sure if there were other parts to that deal..but we kinda like Watson as a backup to Jrue apparently."

I've liked Iggy for a long time. The Jazz would still need to work on outside shooting and would need to find a solid fourth big, but he would really help team defense and the Jazz would have a guy who can create his own shot.

Of coarse, if there is any truth to this rumor then KOC will probably instantly stop the trade talks as punishment for someone in Phily leaking the information.

http://www.slcdunk.com/2012/6/7/2906838/sexual-favors-the-underkanter-will-destroy-the-nba#storyjump

Good article on our future bigs complimenting each other.

Mutangclan wrote:

http://www.slcdunk.com/2012/6/7/2906838/sexual-favors-the-underkanter-will-destroy-the-nba#storyjump

Good article on our future bigs complimenting each other.

Good read and makes some pretty good points. I'm curious how the Jazz are intending to deal with the log jam we have there now. Milsap and Al are both too good to be back ups and at the same time the Jazz have to get the young guys a lot more minutes.

We all have our opinion on what the Jazz should do, but I wonder what they think they should do?

From Evan Dunlap (???) Twitter:

"Briefly: scout tells Ric Bucher he can imagine Utah pursuing Jameer Nelson in free agency".

True or False?

RookieJazz wrote:

From Evan Dunlap (???) Twitter:



"Briefly: scout tells Ric Bucher he can imagine Utah pursuing Jameer Nelson in free agency".

True or False?

Nelson is a nice PG, but that seems like a lateral move. He and Harris are pretty even in terms of overall skills IMO.

I suppose the biggest positive would be that Nelson is a better outside shooter.

Mutangclan wrote:

Another off-season improvement: Josh Smith.

I know, he's been talked about before, but man I just feel like he would be the young, monster pick up we need. Atlanta can't afford to keep all of their big 3, Johnson/Smith/Horford. Smith has been talked about forever as the one to go. They love Horford there, nobody is going to take Joe Johnsons contract on. So that leaves Smith. With Horford being forced to play Center all these years, even though he's been a PF, Atlanta needs a Center.
Man....... Al Jeff for Josh Smith.....Atlanta gets their Center, gets Josh Smith out of there since they've been trying for years. We have a Starting 5 of Derrick at the 5, Paul at the 4, Josh at the 3 (his more natural position) Gordo at the 2(his best position) and Devin or whomever at the 1. Oi vey....that would be sick.

2nd choice would be to make a play for Ryan Anderson, who is a FA and big time 3pt shooter extraordinaire. Space the floor, good hustle player....yum.
3rd choice, make a play for Steve Novak.
This team needs 3pt shooting.

I'm starting to like Smith more and more, since he was a rookie I felt he was one of the most athletic players in the league but worried about where his head is. I think as he gets older he might be a little wiser.
How about Smith and Pachulia (to make the trade work) for Harris, Millsap.
Then if Dragic can't be picked up in FA, trade Scola and Lowery for Big Al, since it looks like Houston would want Dragic more than Lowery, might have to throw in a draft pick.

PG's-Lowery, Tinsley, Watson
SG/SF's-Burks, Hayward, Smith, Carroll,
PF/C's-Favors, Scola, Kanter, Pachulia
plus Evans

Lowery
Hayward
Smith
Favors
Kanter

If you can dump Bell's contract this team will be about $54-55 million

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221516/Jazz_Unlikely_To_Trade_Up_In_Draft


I say....um hmm, SUUUUUUUUREeeeeee Kevin.

Mutangclan wrote:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221516/Jazz_Unlikely_To_Trade_Up_In_Draft


I say....um hmm, SUUUUUUUUREeeeeee Kevin.

I wouldn't be surprised either way. We all know how much KOC loves talking about trades before they are official

I would like to bring S nash in and K kover back, Both shoot the 3 ball and is something the jazz missed last year. Those two with growth of the youth the jazz would be big time scary.

Alright, so I'll freely admit, I'm bored and could really use some Jazz news. Ugh.

But heres' my latest thought. If Al Jeff goes in some trade, for someone, and Paul is our starting PF with Favors as our starting Center, then we need a SF. How about Jeff Green???? He's now 100% I guess. That guy is another Paul Millsap type IMO. Great motor, quiet, hustling competitor. He can kind of do everything pretty well, with nothing spectacular. But I think he's a really good starting quality SF. And he's an UFA.
I think that'd be a really great pick up, and of course would be amazing to have him over CJ.

How about B.Roy in a 15MPG bench-scorer role? Plus, I like the idea of signing the former heart of the Trailblazers franchise. Would make me feel better about Matthews/Millsap.

He'd obviously miss some games, but his value as a scorer and end of the game player might be worth the risk in a small, short term contract.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/brandon-roy-confirms-wishes-return-nba-ex-teammate-162542332--nba.html;_ylt=AmIs54ple.hjGllr_QZeQUu8vLYF

Mutangclan wrote:

Alright, so I'll freely admit, I'm bored and could really use some Jazz news. Ugh.

But heres' my latest thought. If Al Jeff goes in some trade, for someone, and Paul is our starting PF with Favors as our starting Center, then we need a SF. How about Jeff Green???? He's now 100% I guess. That guy is another Paul Millsap type IMO. Great motor, quiet, hustling competitor. He can kind of do everything pretty well, with nothing spectacular. But I think he's a really good starting quality SF. And he's an UFA.
I think that'd be a really great pick up, and of course would be amazing to have him over CJ.

If there isn't an Iggy/Gay/Smith type of player to be had, then I think Green could be a nice addition for the same reasons you mentioned.

zero24gravity wrote:

If there isn't an Iggy/Gay/Smith type of player to be had, then I think Green could be a nice addition for the same reasons you mentioned.

Oh yea, most definitely. I'd say in order, I want Josh Smith far and away first. Then after that, probably Rudy Gay just barely over Iggy. They have been saying Iggy is having achilles/knee probs; I dont want to take that risk. Then after Iggy, I'd love to have Jeff Green. Solid team guy, solid all around player.