14th roster spot

therawns wrote:

Mutangclan wrote:

therawns wrote:

Love the Vinnie "microwave" johnson shoutout, but lets not get carried away, yet.

I agree with you.....but just barely. It might actually be time to start getting carried away. Burks showed a taste last year, but I think with the rest of the summer and a full training camp he and Favors both are going off this year.

Gosh, if he does go off...

Debate all we want to about this. Hayward Williams or Burks come off the bench, along with Millsap or Favors. Does anybody have a 1-2 punch off the bench that could be as good as this? I would say Philly did with williams and young, but williams is gone. Harden/Collison? Collison is not great, but Harden is the best 6th man, and collison is descent so you can put them. Collison is great defensively, and probably leads the league in charges taken in limited minutes.

If Burks really does start to break out, the Jazz have seven players that could probably start for at least 10 teams, if not half.

Seems some others may agree about Burks getting ready to shine.......

http://www.slcdunk.com/2012/7/16/3163259/comparing-heat-guard-dwyane-wade-and-jazz-guard-alec-burks-and-why-it

Mutangclan wrote:

therawns wrote:

Mutangclan wrote:

therawns wrote:

Love the Vinnie "microwave" johnson shoutout, but lets not get carried away, yet.

I agree with you.....but just barely. It might actually be time to start getting carried away. Burks showed a taste last year, but I think with the rest of the summer and a full training camp he and Favors both are going off this year.

Gosh, if he does go off...

Debate all we want to about this. Hayward Williams or Burks come off the bench, along with Millsap or Favors. Does anybody have a 1-2 punch off the bench that could be as good as this? I would say Philly did with williams and young, but williams is gone. Harden/Collison? Collison is not great, but Harden is the best 6th man, and collison is descent so you can put them. Collison is great defensively, and probably leads the league in charges taken in limited minutes.

If Burks really does start to break out, the Jazz have seven players that could probably start for at least 10 teams, if not half.

Seems some others may agree about Burks getting ready to shine.......

http://www.slcdunk.com/2012/7/16/3163259/comparing-heat-guard-dwyane-wade-and-jazz-guard-alec-burks-and-why-it

Not only would it help Utah out tremendously, but more importantly, my fantasy keeper team. (Okay, sarcastic on the more importantly part. I took over a new team, and had some rentals, that have lost value, but have burks on the bench.)

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Sounds like the Heat aren't interested...I really wonder if he has much market value anymore combined with a very unclassy end of season dust-up with the Jazz. As long as Raja thinks he is better than he is and demands playing time he doesn't deserve he isn't a good add for already good teams. I'm guessing the Jazz will wait until the last moment to waive him, see which new face invited to camp shows the most promise.

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Gaines + Mo + Tinsley + Watson = PG overload

If it's just a simple signing (no trade involved) then I think a big man or maybe an outside specialist is the right direction to go.

zero24gravity wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Gaines + Mo + Tinsley + Watson = PG overload

If it's just a simple signing (no trade involved) then I think a big man or maybe an outside specialist is the right direction to go.

Agreed, with my preference being an outside specialist. As for big men, Jazz aren't on Darkos short list. What the hell, if they go big lets bring the Big Goofus back, they know what they are getting...

MTJazz wrote:

zero24gravity wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Gaines + Mo + Tinsley + Watson = PG overload

If it's just a simple signing (no trade involved) then I think a big man or maybe an outside specialist is the right direction to go.

Agreed, with my preference being an outside specialist. As for big men, Jazz aren't on Darkos short list. What the hell, if they go big lets bring the Big Goofus back, they know what they are getting...

Ostertag?

zero24gravity wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

zero24gravity wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Gaines + Mo + Tinsley + Watson = PG overload

If it's just a simple signing (no trade involved) then I think a big man or maybe an outside specialist is the right direction to go.

Agreed, with my preference being an outside specialist. As for big men, Jazz aren't on Darkos short list. What the hell, if they go big lets bring the Big Goofus back, they know what they are getting...

Ostertag?

I was thinking of Osterdog v2, the Fesinator. Seriously though, you'd think the Jazz would go with a wing, maybe a vet min guy, or another Demarre-type sleeper. The Jazz are seriously good at finding talent other teams looked over.

I actually wouldn't mind bringing Fes back.

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Just buying him out didnt make much sense to me, unless there was another move coming, which ive stated. Im still hoping he can be used like gordon giricek for trade purposes. The one guy that keeps coming to mind is beno udrih who makes 7 mil. overpayed, but his contract is up after the year.

therawns wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Just buying him out didnt make much sense to me, unless there was another move coming, which ive stated. Im still hoping he can be used like gordon giricek for trade purposes. The one guy that keeps coming to mind is beno udrih who makes 7 mil. overpayed, but his contract is up after the year.

Huh? please explain that move...I know there is some Rawns-logic there but I don't see how this helps the team that much.

zero24gravity wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Gaines + Mo + Tinsley + Watson = PG overload

If it's just a simple signing (no trade involved) then I think a big man or maybe an outside specialist is the right direction to go.

Mo + Tinsley + Watson = 1 wasted roster spot and maybe 40 games this season when they are all healthy. I don't understand why people think this situation is OK.

TheMagnus wrote:

zero24gravity wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Gaines + Mo + Tinsley + Watson = PG overload

If it's just a simple signing (no trade involved) then I think a big man or maybe an outside specialist is the right direction to go.

Mo + Tinsley + Watson = 1 wasted roster spot and maybe 40 games this season when they are all healthy. I don't understand why people think this situation is OK.

It's true that I don't think the back-up point is a problem. It's not super strong, but middle of the road compared to the rest of the league.

What I was saying in this particular post was that adding another (mediocre) PG would be redundant and a waste of a roster spot IMO. If Earl or Jamal were traded then I would understand the need, but carrying FOUR PG's, plus Burks and Gordy seems like overkill.

MTJazz wrote:

therawns wrote:

TheMagnus wrote:

It should be noted that Raja Bell is still holding down the 14th spot on the roster, and it appears that the Jazz are still looking to trade him rather than buying him out.

But there's one guy that just popped inot my mind that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Jazz uniform again. Sundiata Gaines.

Just buying him out didnt make much sense to me, unless there was another move coming, which ive stated. Im still hoping he can be used like gordon giricek for trade purposes. The one guy that keeps coming to mind is beno udrih who makes 7 mil. overpayed, but his contract is up after the year.

Huh? please explain that move...I know there is some Rawns-logic there but I don't see how this helps the team that much.

Instead of paying him not to play, keep exploring ways to trade him. Now, in order to trade the salaries involved have to be within 25% of each other. (On a side note, this is why Humphries gets 12 mil per year. The Dwight Howard to Brooklyn is not dead. This huge salary allows them to take more of orlando's bad contracts when they can trade them again.) The 25% means teams cant trade 2 million for 12 million if both teams are over the cap.

The Jazz could look to trade his 3.5 million as a salary filler for a player making about 5 million. Giricek was worth about 4 million when they traded him for korver. Did Philly care about giricek? no, they cared about the draft pick involved. Same idea with Bell. Bell, along with a draft pick (the same year, Utah recieves the GS pick), for a player of about 5 million value, is something that I am thinking. Add in Watson's 2 million, and you can get a player for 7 million. You get the point.

If the Jazz are not agreeing to terms with a 14th man, why not keep him? He is a trading chip. Now, he is nothing more than a salary filler in a trade, but its something. Now, if Bell says the Jazz can have back most of the salary, okay. If a buyout is just to save pennies, then I dont see the point. Id hold onto him, until I saw a guy that I liked if I was KOC. (Now, thank goodness I am not KOC, because he is 100 times smarter than me.)

Still don't get Beno on the Jazz at $7 million, at all. A career 9.2 ppg, 3.5 assist guy in 24 minutes. On the Jazz he would be a an upgrade over Watson/Tinsley but at a seriously ridiculous price. He has 7 seasons in the league so its not like all the sudden he is going to bust out and challenge Mo. I understand that Raja is a good chip but frankly I'd rather see the Jazz clear the roster space for another DC type guy at about the league minimum.

MTJazz wrote:

Still don't get Beno on the Jazz at $7 million, at all. A career 9.2 ppg, 3.5 assist guy in 24 minutes. On the Jazz he would be a an upgrade over Watson/Tinsley but at a seriously ridiculous price. He has 7 seasons in the league so its not like all the sudden he is going to bust out and challenge Mo. I understand that Raja is a good chip but frankly I'd rather see the Jazz clear the roster space for another DC type guy at about the league minimum.

Im just looking for a backup. He played in SA for a while, where he could not get off the bench. In 2010-11 he was getting 13.7 points 5 dimes and only 1.9 turnovers as a starter, on 50% shooting.

MTJazz wrote:

Still don't get Beno on the Jazz at $7 million, at all. A career 9.2 ppg, 3.5 assist guy in 24 minutes. On the Jazz he would be a an upgrade over Watson/Tinsley but at a seriously ridiculous price. He has 7 seasons in the league so its not like all the sudden he is going to bust out and challenge Mo. I understand that Raja is a good chip but frankly I'd rather see the Jazz clear the roster space for another DC type guy at about the league minimum.

Beno is a real solid player that I would like to see on the Jazz. I don't think 7 Mil is too unreasonable, it's expiring so it'd just be this year. The only assets I see that the Jazz would have to make a deal like that are Bell, Watson, Tinsley, and maybe the rights to Josh Howard and CJ Miles. If the Bucks were interested in Howard or Miles then the Jazz might be able to work out a sign and trade with them, with Bell and Watson or Tinsley thrown in to make the salaries work. Seems like a long shot though...

TheMagnus wrote:

MTJazz wrote:

Still don't get Beno on the Jazz at $7 million, at all. A career 9.2 ppg, 3.5 assist guy in 24 minutes. On the Jazz he would be a an upgrade over Watson/Tinsley but at a seriously ridiculous price. He has 7 seasons in the league so its not like all the sudden he is going to bust out and challenge Mo. I understand that Raja is a good chip but frankly I'd rather see the Jazz clear the roster space for another DC type guy at about the league minimum.

Beno is a real solid player that I would like to see on the Jazz. I don't think 7 Mil is too unreasonable, it's expiring so it'd just be this year. The only assets I see that the Jazz would have to make a deal like that are Bell, Watson, Tinsley, and maybe the rights to Josh Howard and CJ Miles. If the Bucks were interested in Howard or Miles then the Jazz might be able to work out a sign and trade with them, with Bell and Watson or Tinsley thrown in to make the salaries work. Seems like a long shot though...

Oh its a long shot, but that is what Bell could be used for. The Jazz would have to give up a draft pick. Dont think udrih for a year is worth a draft pick, but it fixes the backup PG problem. Im just saying this is the type of move i can see bell involved in.

Beno replacing Watson or Tinsley would be a significant upgrade. I'm for it for sure. Whats the back up PG situation in Milwaukee?? I guess doesn't matter, this was just random thoughts.
Would be nice to get some sort of S/T going to get rid of players we're not bringing back anyway, to facilitate making this team better.

Somebody on our forum mentioned Delfino as a possible pickup, but I can't find the post now. Anyway, I think he could be a nice pickup for backup that plays SG or SF and can hit the threes for low dollars. By the way, I tried Delfino in the Search function above and didn't come up with anything.

Crunchtime1 wrote:

Somebody on our forum mentioned Delfino as a possible pickup, but I can't find the post now. Anyway, I think he could be a nice pickup for backup that plays SG or SF and can hit the threes for low dollars. By the way, I tried Delfino in the Search function above and didn't come up with anything.

The Delfino suggestion is in the Offseason Roster Improvements thread.

zero24gravity wrote:

Crunchtime1 wrote:

Somebody on our forum mentioned Delfino as a possible pickup, but I can't find the post now. Anyway, I think he could be a nice pickup for backup that plays SG or SF and can hit the threes for low dollars. By the way, I tried Delfino in the Search function above and didn't come up with anything.

The Delfino suggestion is in the Offseason Roster Improvements thread.

Ok. Thanks. I wonder why I couldn't find the post using the Search function.

I tweeted about Delfino yesterday. I really only saw the last 5 minutes, but apparently he played well.

I have 2 concerns. He only shot 40% last year, but 36% from downtown. Can come off a down screen pop to the elbow for the shot, ala harpring? Maybe he is strictly a 3 point shooter, which is no problem.

If he can settle on 20 minutes, great then I am interested in him. Signing him gives Utah a 10 man rotation, when most go with 9. How they then give the core 4 the minutes necessary to keep growing at a good pace could be a problem.

It is too bad that Andray Blatche is such a headcase the Kid is a very good player that could really be a nice addition to a team like the Jazz if he had his head in the right place, you would think the Kid would learn from being kicked to the curb for acting up like he was doing last season or one would hope that he would learn from it. If the Jazz could talk to him and get him to agree to change the way he thinks and act's and could sign him on the cheap I would not mind seeing them take a chance on the Kid but that is a very big IF, the Kid has a lot to offer a team if he could get his head in the right place being 6'11 he can play PF/C at a high level if he could accept coming off of the bench for a team. There will be a team that is willing to take the Kid on sooner or later this season it is just a matter of time before it happens I just think it might be worth the risk for the Jazz if they could get him to agree to him making a change in his life and the direction he is going in his basketball career. I know that some of you would not be willing to take this kind of chance on the Kid but sometimes you have to take a chance on something in life to get to a better place and this could be the time for the Jazz to take a chance on a young Kid like him if they are ever going to take one. If they could get him cheap enough to where if they had to cut him lose it would not cost them much he might be worth taking a chance on IMO anyway.

Machado said he’s in discussion with several other NBA teams and it’s possible he never makes it to the Rockets training camp. The Rockets purged most of their roster after last season and lost unrestricted free agent Goran Dragic to Phoenix and traded Kyle Lowry to Toronto, making the team especially thin at point guard. Based on his senior season at Iona, when he led the nation in assists, Machado is confident in his ability to run a team. Machado also agreed with a reporter who suggested he probably had a better college career than Lin, who played at Harvard. New York Daily News

I'd really like to see Utah bring him in. I think he's going to be at a minimum, a sturdy smart PG, and maybe good enough to lead a team. Not to mention Either Earl or Tinsley are completely expendable; I like them both separately for what they bring, but one can go. And even if not, with our versatility already, and Raja still here, I'd like to bring Machado on in his spot. A fourth PG that can start the learning curve. Definitely worth a shot, and he could be good.